You need to convince her to see a doctor. Have professionals handle it from
there. You can provide all the support you want to, but she needs to see
doctors.
Never have time to call? You can just say you're calling a friend/chatting with
a friend. Your parents won't listen in. If you attempted suicide, and are still
thinking about it, you should definitely speak to somebody about it. I can't
really give you medical advice without knowing your full history, but your
doctor can. If you're really depressed, and your suicide thoughts stem from it,
maybe an antidepressant will help you out. In any case, talk to your doctor
about your situation and have yourself evaluated. How long have you been in this
slump? If it has been more than 2 weeks, do seek help. Do not start abusing
drugs and alcohol.
okay, what you should do is call a suicide hotline... they're anonymous, and
they should be able to help you out
alternatively tell your doctor; he/she will definitely keep it confidential, and
can point you in the right direction
consult a professional... from your description, this is a very serious problem
and should be taken very seriously
yeah, I've seen my scans at other sites with the tag removed, and scans i've
posted on lj posted elsewhere, but there's nothing we can do about it... ^^;;
a doctor who can do internal medicine and all sorts of surgeries (not just
general surgery)
right now we're limited by specialties, subspecialties, and scope of practice
field is so subspecialized now~
I'll probably pick a subspecialty (a couple of years from now) that has good
hours and excellent pay to be pragmatic.
Quote by kingray100And hell isnt made
to scare people into going to church,its just the sad truth that everyone mocks
until they go there.
I'd like to know how you know that. Have you spoken to the dead? Did the dead
say themselves that they went to hell or heaven? It's a claim that cannot be
proven.
Quote by kingray100Research by your
precious science proved and investigated the people's culture and
personalities.Documents were recovered from everywhere during the time of God
and the facts scientists prove seem to be very reliable upon the fact that we
are very advanced in the area of science.
Science is precious to everybody. You wouldn't be here without this science.
Again, the fact that the events stated in the Bible occurred does not
necessarily mean God had anything to do with them. You cannot prove that God
intervened at all. You merely know that events happened.
A very simple example for you. I can write that the Zaca Wildland Fire on July
4, 2007 was started by a dragon. Yes. I can prove that the wildfire did indeed
start on July 4 at 10:53 AM. That information is factual. That being said to be
true does not mean my claim that it was started by a dragon is true. If I did
indeed write it down, maybe someone 1000 years later will come to believe it.
Does that mean a dragon really started it? No.
To reiterate, just because an incident in history did happen as it was told in
the Bible does not necessarily mean divine intervention.
Religion is a spiritual experience that does not need science to prove. If I
didn't have faith, all the evidence you presented would've been garbage to me.
You keep trying to use the Bible to prove the Bible is correct. You cannot use
circular reasoning to argue a point. It's faulty logic.
Quote by EternalParadoxThat is
exactly why God's existence cannot be proven or tested in the same way we test a
scientific hypothesis. A central tenant in nearly all religions is that the
deity is beyond humanity's capacity to know and understand. Given that, no
matter how reliable or "factual" a spiritual text's records are, in
the scientific sense they will always prove nothing beyond that those events
themselves occurred. The intersection between physical events and a God moves
those events beyond human ability to test and analyze, and thus God exists to
those who have faith in him and does not exist to those who lack that faith.
I personally feel that we shouldn't even have this debate about evolution versus
creationism in the first place due to that very fact. Science and religion are
not mutually exclusive, and because we cannot know God the way we know science,
it may well be true that science is merely God's method of organizing the
universe. God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th in Genesis, but
hey, God could have been using an allegory and each of his "days" is
actually 200 million human years. God created life, and for all we know he could
have done it using the evolutionary process.
Ok.But let me ask you this simple question.Your saying that even if the entire
bible was proven correct,that you would still doubt God and not accept it unless
some type of event happened when you were there to see it,proving it in a
scientific way?If so,then thats truly sad...(no offense)...I understand that you
would want other types of proofs but when its this long ago,you can on really
rely on historical documents and so on...Science isnt very good with dealing
with things in the past,but let the paper work and the work of reliable people
be accepted at least to a moral extent. If the person isnt reliable,then some
evidence would have to support why and from then on will be
done.
You're not understanding the point EternalParadox is arguing at all. You've
missed all the points thus far. To put it simply for you to understand, if the
whole Bible is proven to be historically correct, the people who believed in God
in the first place would believe in Him even more, but for the people who never
did believe in God, they'd believe the Bible was historically correct, which has
nothing to do with anything divine. The question is faith. The people who
believe in God do so because they have faith, not because there's any scientific
evidence. The Bible cannot be tested in any scientific way, so there can be no
scientific evidence. I whole-heartedly believe in evolution, but I also believe
in God. That's what EternalParadox was saying about the two not being mutually
exclusive. I don't need any evidence to prove that God exists. Even if the Bible
were proven to be inaccurate, I'd still believe in God because it's a matter of
faith/belief. On the other hand, if a new scientific theory comes and tops
evolution, I'll be convinced if there's enough evidence. Bottom line, people who
accept evolution because there's scientific evidence, but people who believe in
God do so because of faith. Science and faith are not mutually exclusive (just
look at how many educated people believe in God). The Bible does not need to be
proven for believers.
omg, I know I have high resolution pics of the bottom two somewhere on my
desktop... which is sitting in the corner not plugged in. I'll try to set my
desktop up and find those two pics.
LOL. Slow learner, ne, kingray100? Science is based on evidence. Religion is
based on faith. No one religion is better than another. It's all up to the
believer. I need no evidence to believe in God... it's a faith thing. The Bible
cannot be used as scientific evidence. People can write about a flying spaghetti
monster, but that doesn't make it real. Who knows, if we write about it now,
maybe someone a thousand years later will consider it some mythical being that
saved the world. It's good that people need something to believe in, and they
can choose to believe in whatever they want. Science, on the other hand, is so
deep-rooted in everything, that we'd practically less than monkeys if it weren't
for it. Science made sliced bread and internet available. ^_-
I don't think darkrose meant they lie all the time. Don't twist what other
people are saying, kingray100. People back then were by no means all virtuous
and truthful. People were just as cunning and deceitful as they are nowdays...
well, probably way more than now since there were no popular media outlets and
rulers controlled everything.
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Quote by kingray100
Being observant in the patterns of evidence is anything but gullible,ok?And
people maybe capable of telling lies but thats not the point!Its been researched
already and proven of how people were very serious about making history and
retelling it to the best of their ability,no lies.People's intelligence does not
involve the writing of the bible.It doesnt take much effort to write down
something someone said to them.They might have been different ways they said
things such as "God is holy" to "Holy is God" but that is
understandable since the greek language back then was able to switch words
around in a manor and still be correct.Yes i do have evidence of why these
manuscripts are truthful!werent you reading my post?Im gonna point this out one
last time!
1.People were serious about retelling the facts of history,no thoughts and lies
are included into manuscript at the time unless the author says so in some type
of way.In this case for the bible,it is true.
2.People who didnt believe in Jesus such as Josephus who was born in 37ad and
the Jews of the time,mentioned seeing Christ and even some of his works!
3.It is proven that the bible IS HISTORICALLY CORRECT.When this is said,that is
already half of the picture!
4.This evidence is presented by Scholars who are some of the most educated men
in the entire world about Christianity.
5.Even atheists who go through evidence and studying have found the bible to be
reliable and truthful.
The bible is far away from a fantasy novel or a book of lies.It is the truth
written so people may understand things.The world has truly gotten the best of
us but you can still change.
The Bible may be accurate in documenting that events occurred. The fact that
events occurred doesn't not necessarily point to divine intervention. Things
happened. The men who wrote the Bible recorded them with their own touch, and
that's all we know. The Bible writers weaved the stories to be interesting and
to carry moral values.
go science~ If it weren't for science and the vaccines, some of us wouldn't be
here debating this
God exists in human belief because people believe in God... not because there's
evidence.
Just went through the thread and thought it was rather amusing. I have to say I
agree with DarkRoseofHell. Don't forget that the Bible were written by men. I
believe the Bible was written and put together to be a moral guide and of course
to spread Christianity. It's easier to control/fool highly religious people by
holding "God" over their heads since faith is pretty blind.
I've had so much science, so of course I believe in evolution. It's still
occurring on many different levels everyday. For people who'd like to contradict
this, please read any scientific article concerning new strains of antibiotics
resistant bacteria. However, this belief in scientific theory does not prevent
me from believing a God does exist. To reiterate what Eternalparadox has so
nicely put already, God is based on belief, faith. It doesn't need any
scientific evidence to support it. All I need to believe in God is my faith. On
the other hand, I support evolution and all scientific discoveries, as long as
there is scientific evidence. I don't hold them to be in conflict at all. I
personally can't stand how creationists try to point to "evidence"
that punches holes in evolution when they have hardly have any evidence to
support their own theory. It's analogous to declaring "well, you don't have
this 1911 dime" when the collection is only missing a few pieces, from
someone who has nothing but talks of having some pieces. I have nothing against
religion itself, just creationists who believe their theory can be supported by
scientific evidence and that evolution isn't real.
Yes, the Bible can be used as historical evidence. It says some events occurred.
It is still written by men, not peer-reviewed. Take it with a grain of sand.
Yes, for all we know, maybe God did speak to those people, but it could also be
propaganda. There's no evidence. I'll just leave stuff like that up to my faith.
Scientific evidence isn't taking it anywhere. ^_-
My vote goes to
#6
#7
#8
Everybody did a great job though~ Those 3 just happened to be my choices (since I love pretty vectors) ^^
You need to convince her to see a doctor. Have professionals handle it from there. You can provide all the support you want to, but she needs to see doctors.
Never have time to call? You can just say you're calling a friend/chatting with a friend. Your parents won't listen in. If you attempted suicide, and are still thinking about it, you should definitely speak to somebody about it. I can't really give you medical advice without knowing your full history, but your doctor can. If you're really depressed, and your suicide thoughts stem from it, maybe an antidepressant will help you out. In any case, talk to your doctor about your situation and have yourself evaluated. How long have you been in this slump? If it has been more than 2 weeks, do seek help. Do not start abusing drugs and alcohol.
okay, what you should do is call a suicide hotline... they're anonymous, and they should be able to help you out
alternatively tell your doctor; he/she will definitely keep it confidential, and can point you in the right direction
consult a professional... from your description, this is a very serious problem and should be taken very seriously
yeah, I've seen my scans at other sites with the tag removed, and scans i've posted on lj posted elsewhere, but there's nothing we can do about it... ^^;;
a doctor who can do internal medicine and all sorts of surgeries (not just general surgery)
field is so subspecialized now~
right now we're limited by specialties, subspecialties, and scope of practice
I'll probably pick a subspecialty (a couple of years from now) that has good hours and excellent pay to be pragmatic.
I just submitted the ones I have to MT. The other two are not much bigger, just a bit. Scanner's credit at bottom of pics.
I'd like to know how you know that. Have you spoken to the dead? Did the dead say themselves that they went to hell or heaven? It's a claim that cannot be proven.
Science is precious to everybody. You wouldn't be here without this science.
Again, the fact that the events stated in the Bible occurred does not necessarily mean God had anything to do with them. You cannot prove that God intervened at all. You merely know that events happened.
A very simple example for you. I can write that the Zaca Wildland Fire on July 4, 2007 was started by a dragon. Yes. I can prove that the wildfire did indeed start on July 4 at 10:53 AM. That information is factual. That being said to be true does not mean my claim that it was started by a dragon is true. If I did indeed write it down, maybe someone 1000 years later will come to believe it. Does that mean a dragon really started it? No.
To reiterate, just because an incident in history did happen as it was told in the Bible does not necessarily mean divine intervention.
Religion is a spiritual experience that does not need science to prove. If I didn't have faith, all the evidence you presented would've been garbage to me. You keep trying to use the Bible to prove the Bible is correct. You cannot use circular reasoning to argue a point. It's faulty logic.
You're not understanding the point EternalParadox is arguing at all. You've missed all the points thus far. To put it simply for you to understand, if the whole Bible is proven to be historically correct, the people who believed in God in the first place would believe in Him even more, but for the people who never did believe in God, they'd believe the Bible was historically correct, which has nothing to do with anything divine. The question is faith. The people who believe in God do so because they have faith, not because there's any scientific evidence. The Bible cannot be tested in any scientific way, so there can be no scientific evidence. I whole-heartedly believe in evolution, but I also believe in God. That's what EternalParadox was saying about the two not being mutually exclusive. I don't need any evidence to prove that God exists. Even if the Bible were proven to be inaccurate, I'd still believe in God because it's a matter of faith/belief. On the other hand, if a new scientific theory comes and tops evolution, I'll be convinced if there's enough evidence. Bottom line, people who accept evolution because there's scientific evidence, but people who believe in God do so because of faith. Science and faith are not mutually exclusive (just look at how many educated people believe in God). The Bible does not need to be proven for believers.
omg, I know I have high resolution pics of the bottom two somewhere on my desktop... which is sitting in the corner not plugged in. I'll try to set my desktop up and find those two pics.
LOL. Slow learner, ne, kingray100? Science is based on evidence. Religion is based on faith. No one religion is better than another. It's all up to the believer. I need no evidence to believe in God... it's a faith thing. The Bible cannot be used as scientific evidence. People can write about a flying spaghetti monster, but that doesn't make it real. Who knows, if we write about it now, maybe someone a thousand years later will consider it some mythical being that saved the world. It's good that people need something to believe in, and they can choose to believe in whatever they want. Science, on the other hand, is so deep-rooted in everything, that we'd practically less than monkeys if it weren't for it. Science made sliced bread and internet available. ^_-
I don't think darkrose meant they lie all the time. Don't twist what other people are saying, kingray100. People back then were by no means all virtuous and truthful. People were just as cunning and deceitful as they are nowdays... well, probably way more than now since there were no popular media outlets and rulers controlled everything.
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The Bible may be accurate in documenting that events occurred. The fact that events occurred doesn't not necessarily point to divine intervention. Things happened. The men who wrote the Bible recorded them with their own touch, and that's all we know. The Bible writers weaved the stories to be interesting and to carry moral values.
go science~ If it weren't for science and the vaccines, some of us wouldn't be here debating this
God exists in human belief because people believe in God... not because there's evidence.
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Just went through the thread and thought it was rather amusing. I have to say I agree with DarkRoseofHell. Don't forget that the Bible were written by men. I believe the Bible was written and put together to be a moral guide and of course to spread Christianity. It's easier to control/fool highly religious people by holding "God" over their heads since faith is pretty blind.
I've had so much science, so of course I believe in evolution. It's still occurring on many different levels everyday. For people who'd like to contradict this, please read any scientific article concerning new strains of antibiotics resistant bacteria. However, this belief in scientific theory does not prevent me from believing a God does exist. To reiterate what Eternalparadox has so nicely put already, God is based on belief, faith. It doesn't need any scientific evidence to support it. All I need to believe in God is my faith. On the other hand, I support evolution and all scientific discoveries, as long as there is scientific evidence. I don't hold them to be in conflict at all. I personally can't stand how creationists try to point to "evidence" that punches holes in evolution when they have hardly have any evidence to support their own theory. It's analogous to declaring "well, you don't have this 1911 dime" when the collection is only missing a few pieces, from someone who has nothing but talks of having some pieces. I have nothing against religion itself, just creationists who believe their theory can be supported by scientific evidence and that evolution isn't real.
Yes, the Bible can be used as historical evidence. It says some events occurred. It is still written by men, not peer-reviewed. Take it with a grain of sand. Yes, for all we know, maybe God did speak to those people, but it could also be propaganda. There's no evidence. I'll just leave stuff like that up to my faith. Scientific evidence isn't taking it anywhere. ^_-